With the recent nomination of two minorities to high profile positions, Alberto Gonzales and Condoleezza Rice, liberals have been unable to hold their contempt. They have come out of their holes with racist cartoons and implications that the only true minority is a democrat one. It reminds me of what they did to Miguel Estrada.
Given the grim view of minorities that liberals have, this doesn’t surprise me. But what really gets under my skin is the implication that the main reason a Republican minority is picked is because of their race. It multiplies my anger further when a minority does it. ThatColoredFellasWeblog, a member of the Progressive Blog Alliance, writes this,
I have come to the conclusion that if you’re going to be a minority race Republican - specifically a Bush minority Republican – there’s a good chance you’re coming equipped with a self-delusional character flaw. For example, it will manifest itself as a radical political ideology, which goes against your upbringing, culture and heritage. Or, is represented by the bubble of self-denial you’ve created, which allows you to dismiss that your race (and not your abilities and accomplishments), has brought you such success.
Yes, this observation grew from the announcement of Roberto Gonzalez to replace the departing John Ashcroft as Attorney General, yet obviously I had Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and Secretary of State Colin Powell, also in mind.
Put aside for the moment the overwhelming qualifications of each candidate, Alberto Gonzales and Condoleezza Rice. What pisses me off more is the hypocrisy behind these accusations. Assuming the candidates were underqualified, which they are not, but just assuming, it is Democrats that encourage this sort of thing!!! They are the ones in support of affirmative action and the like. They are the ones that want ‘tokenism’.
It’s been a few years since I moved out of Compton, and even more years since I’ve gotten into a fight, but this pisses me off so much that the next time a liberal implies that I am (relatively) successful primarily because of my race, I am going to kick his ass.
Oh, and ThatColoredFellasWeblog, if you’re reading this, it’s Alberto Gonzales, not Roberto Gonzales you racist fuck.
Being A minority is not synonomous with being a liberal democrat! We are diverse and we come in all of the various political ideologies! To the liberal media and left wing extreme elements of the DNC, your days are numbered. You have taken us for granted long enough.
LOL … what happened to not taking politics personally?
Oyeme, it makes my blood boil too, Al. Maybe so because it isn’t the truth? Have an outstanding Friday.
I’m assuming DD, that my pre-emptive strike of framing your upcoming position paper on Gay Marriage and civil unions, is what fueled this hysterical hissy fit!
Thanks for the correction on Mr. Gonzales first name, as it is ironic that people often misspell both my first and last name. From now on I’ll be cognitive of their racist intentions by doing so.
In my entry post, I never challenged or cited Gonzales or Rice’s qualifications, I merely questioned their ‘gravitas’ for filling such key roles in an administration. But, let me leave you with this thought I’ve mentioned many times, and what I believe is at the heart of Mr. Powell’s departure.
Colin Powell is pro-choice, pro-Affirmative Action and a foreign policy pragmatist, who believes in the power of engagement and diplomacy.
If he were not Black, he never would’ve been Secretary of State.
And there it is everyone, for everyone to see. Straight out of the horses mouth…I’ll let the readers decide what they think of your response.
Oh, and btw, I am not DD. She is an online friend of mine, but I am the ‘Al’ she is referring too.
Colin Powell is pro-choice, pro-Affirmative Action and a foreign policy pragmatist, who believes in the power of engagement and diplomacy.
If he were not Black, he never would’ve been Secretary of State.
WTF!!!
Oh ok, I guess the reason why I am 28 years old and can afford to pay for a $320K condo, pay off a $36K student loan off CASH last year, buy a $32K car CASH this year, and buy myself anything I want is because I AM BLACK and not because of my skills.
People like you are the reason why black people are oppressed … People like you go and tell blacks you’re a victim and you need affirmative action. People like you give excuses to blacks why they are not doing well and why they can’t get their lazy asses out of poverty and that it is the White man’s fault.
You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself!
-BlackPundit
Right, and don’t forget to mention where you came from BlackPundit. You grew up in Compton too…
Liberals have been promoting the view that us minorities can’t do it without their help, without their ‘handicap points’ for so long, that they start to believe it. It warps their everyday thinking.
The minute they see a minority with power, they assume it MUST HAVE BEEN because of their benevolence. And when they see that minority refusing to admit it, it’s a smack in the face to them.
Give me conservatism any day than a view that looks at me like that.
I love being black. I went into the motorcycle dealership and everybody felt so sorry for me that they just gave me this brand new 2003 GSX-R1000! Then I got hit by a car and “they” paid all my medical bills cuz I am Black. When I joined the U.S. Army back in 1994, they said “hey boy, we got some special training for you” and they made me an Officer and gave me all these white soldiers to command. But thats not all. A big broadcast company called me and said they found my name in the Black part of the phone book. They said they were a little dissappointed that my name sounded white. They said they would have prefered a Leroy or Tyrone but if I was Black I could skip the interview and just start work on monday. Ive been working here a year now and Im sure if I let my hair grow out to a natural, Vice President is only a few weeks away. Hell I may even run for President…
“thatcoloredfella, you are an ignorant fool. Please think before you post.”
I agree HispanicPundit… We both were raised in Compton, CA and thanks to this capitalist society, we both where able (with hard work of course, tutoring in the ASC and long nights of studying for midterms and exams) to get out of poverty and make a great living for ourselves.
For a while, I was giving liberals the benefit of the doubt of being fair thinkers and that we just had two different opinions. As I see that our government is being empowered by more conservatives and minority conservatives, I see that liberals are not playing a fair game, especially with the minority conservatives. Giving reasons like “because they are black” why many minority conservatives are progressing and advancing in our society is playing hardball and is not fair. I now see the true colors of a liberal, Black and White!!!
-BlackPundit
Good Comments Black Pundit.
Hey, thatcoloredfella, I just got a call from the DoD. They said I could be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs! They said Meyers is too white and the kinda miss having their house boy Powell there. They said they were a little disappointed my name sounds kinda white. They were hoping for a Leroy or Tyrone. But they said as long as I stay black I can have the job. I always knew being black was an advantage!
You are an ignorant fool to say that. In fact it is you who are a racist sellout to degrade a person because of their race. Do you think its possible that Powells resume had anything to do with his appointment? Here are a few things you might find if you read it:
Vietnam Combat Vet(Still Has Medals)
Former National Security Advisor For President Reagan (Wno The Cold War A.K.A. WW3)
Former Chairman of The Joint Chiefs (Won Desert Storm)
Reached the Rank of 4 star General
35 Years Of military eperience
He’s Black…lol
LOL @ gixxxerking
You know, I deal with a number of Conservatives like your posse of sycophants Al, in other web venues. They also twist, manipulate, distort and exaggerate, too.
But, your party ran an avowed White Supremacists as the Republican nominee for Congress in Tennessee. Your Sec. Of State in Ohio was successful in suppressing the Black vote, and he’s actually Black.
Of all the near 300 blog post of mine, you happened to zero in on this one, does not surprise me. And, the shrill denouncements from the other Brothers Of The Sell Out, reflect a shared short sidedness.
Lastly, you all have in common the flaw of throwing around the word ‘racist’, without knowing the definition.
Condi & Alberto are taking the heat from the illiberal left because they don’t “know their place”!
Nobody supressed any votes. Get real. The only thing that suppressed Black DIMocrat votes was how dull Kerry was. So they voted for Bush. Also everything we are saying is a fact. So what we have here is a case of fact vs opinion. We can prove what we say. Can you?
Oh yeah, and to answer your point of running a white supremacist. You guys run openly gay candidates. Arent people entitled to their own personal beliefs?
“…Lastly, you all have in common the flaw of throwing around the word ‘racist’, without knowing the definition.”
My Merriam-Webster defines it for me. Have you a (yeh, right) better definition?
Why should they? After all, unfortunately, the NAACP has become a partisan organization. Has the “Black right” defended those on the “Black left” when slurs, slanders, and lies have been directed towards the “Black left”?
Of course not.
Darkstar,
Walter E. Williams is always defending the “Black Left” by dispelling stereotypes on Rush’s show. And even if he didnt, they should do it to avoid being hypocrits. This is bigger than one specific group. This post is about an ideology that hides behind the cloak of civil rights while at the same time tearing down minorities who dont fit into the stereotype.
gixxxerking is right - and the evidence keeps rolling in:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=14&u=/ap/20041119/ap_on_re_us/radio_host_remark
I think much of this conversation is ridiculous. Anyone who knows TCF, or has taken the time to read his blog knows he is not a racist. I fail to see how his contempt for the conservative philosophy is any more odius than some of those posting here’s obvious contempt for liberal political thought. As a centrist with what some would consider many conservative ideas, I am against most abortions for example and only lukewarm to the idea of Affirmative Action I probably share some common values with many of you. What I dont share is the contempt for the idea of providing some uplift where needed in minority communities. Tavares I am happy for you my Brother, as well as HP. I grew up on 73 and Hoover and went to Washington High School, so I know what you went through to get where you are. I too have had success, traveled the world, speak three languages and am the CEO of a successful company, but I have not forgotten where I came from and would never make a comment about Blacks or Latinos sitting on their lazy asses. It has been my experience that the vast majority of minorities just want an opportunity to make a decent wage, and share a piece of the American dream. Many of them, just like their white counterparts in the lower middle class, have seen good jobs go over seas under Bush’s watch, have watched their real wages and benefits drop, and seen programs designed to help them eliminated or cut back. To someone with a $300,000 condo that may not mean anything, but to the guy who worked in the autoplant that was just shut down, or who is trying to give his kids the dream you are living, it does. I do not have a problem with my Black and Latino Brothers and Sisters who are Republicans being Republicans… My problem comes when you somehow see your success as proof possitive that no one else needs help. That is delussional.
When I was at the University of Southern California, I joined a Fraternity, Phi Beta Sigma. Despite being a top student, leader, etc., and having the option to join almost any frat I wanted to, I joined Sigma becuase their motto was “Culture for Service and Service for Humanity,” That has become my life’s motto. Being wealthy or successful is not the be all end all. For when we enter the Kingdom of Heaven, the finest robes will be as filthy rags before the lord. That too is a lesson, one in PRIDE one of the 7 Deadly sins. Too many Republicans preach morality, and leave it at the door when it comes to serving their fellow man, seeing any who are less successful as somehow being less deserving.
I make no assumptions about what any of you do to support your community, or your people. I dont even know you, but I say this… Compassion is not just a political catch phrase, and while you may convince me that you joined the Republican Party or are conservative because you want to effect change from within… You will never convince me that the Republican Party as it is today has the welfare of working classed people in mind. So to me, the choice is clear, either TCF is right, and most minority Republicans are delussional,you realize very well the choices you have made, and simply dont give a damn, or you somehow feel that through working from within that you will create a party that will somehow address the needs and concerns of YOUR people, becuase while I may agree with you that the Democratic Party is deeply flawed in many ways, it remains the only choice the vast majority of the people who dont live in $300,000 condos has….
One Love People,
David Anderson
“…Too many Republicans preach morality, and leave it at the door when it comes to serving their fellow man, seeing any who are less successful as somehow being less deserving…”
1) This observation is true of Democrats as well.
2) Helping one’s fellow man is not the issue. It’s a matter of whether we subcontract this job to our government. When we do this, a whole bureaucratic layer is created to feed at the public trough, insulated from the poverty they are paid to alleviate, wasting the nation’s harvest without contributing.
3) Really want to help? Recommended reading:
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/04/politics.html
“…Lastly, you all have in common the flaw of throwing around the word ‘racist’, without knowing the definition.”
Pick one:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=racist&r=d
My problem comes when you somehow see your success as proof possitive that no one else needs help. That is delussional.
NO ONE HELP ME TO GET WHERE I AM TODAY, NO ONE!!!! When i was in college, my dad wanted me to go to the army and he was mad at me because i choose college over the military. I needed a place to live since i was going to school full time and I asked my dad could I shack at his place. Guess what he to me? NO, you’re going to invade my personal life. WTF… Do you know how bad that hurt me? My own dad leaving me out damn near homeless. My mom on the other had barley had a pot to piss in. So no help there… The last two years of college, I was jumping from house to house and sometimes even sleeping in my jeep. So now, you tell me, where was my help? Who earned my success? ALL ME… DO NOT TAKE NOT ONE PEACE OF CREDIT AWAY FROM ME!! Saying someone help me is taking credit away.
And yes, the color fella is a racist bigot by saying Powell earned his position because he is black!!! That’s fucken stupidity!!! Give credit where credit is due…
Ok its 8am and I am finally going to sleep… I just played 12 hours (almost straight) of Halo2 last night…
-BlackPundit
“Liberals” should be sticking to the issues of these two radicals and leave the race card alone.
but I have not forgotten where I came from and would never make a comment about Blacks or Latinos sitting on their lazy asses.
Oh trust me, I have not forgotten where I came from neither. I thank GOD frequently for my brain, will, ambition, and all the things that I have. And as far as the Blacks and Latinos sitting on their lazy asses, I am referring to the one’s who blames the white man for their oppression for their excuse of being lazy…
-BlackPundit
Let me be more direct. Racism does not discriminate against what party it comes from. Its just as racist to say Powell, Rice and Gonzales got their jobs because of their race as it is to deny them the job because of their race. Look, the DNC needs to stop being race pimps. Listen to Malcom X. He has a lot of interesting things to say about liberal democrats.
And if helping my fellow man means taking more of my paycheck to give to lazy or unfortunate people, I say F’em. Do not take the incentive to improve their lives away but a gradual implimentation of communism. Jobs going overseas is not Bush’s fault. Thats just inevitable economic evolution. If you want jobs to stay in America, stop over regulating businesses and mandating unaffordable benefits. If you dont stop, businesses will simply go places where it is more profitable.
David Scott Anderson…this is response is for you.
You keep missing the point we are trying to make here. Let me try and explain it to you since I am starting to think that your liberalism doesn’t allow you to see it from our angle.
You keep trying to make this about one person, or one blog even. This goes much deeper than that. That is why I titled my post Liberal Racism, not ThatColoredFellas Racism. What ThatColoredFellas wrote is very common in liberal circles. My post was dealing with the general liberal view, and only using ThatColoredFellas comments as an example.
When a conservative reads your accomplishments (very impressive btw), we see them as primarily YOUR accomplishments. We see them as fruits of the hard work you sowed. We see you as a person with a strong will, strong dedication, a person who knows what he wants, and strives for it, against all odds. We find this VERY impressive. We encourage this sort of behavior, and are always telling our friends and family that they too can do the same with hard work and dedication. They too can ‘move out the ghetto’, if they put their minds too it. Yes there will be problems, no it wont be easy, but it can be done. The minorities in power are examples of this; we speak of how Alberto Gonzales can rise out of the ghetto parts of San Antonio to be the first Hispanic Attorney General. We talk about how Condi Rice can rise from her humble background to be the second most powerful person in the United States. These are examples of people, who like you, struggled and eventually made it.
Liberals on the other hand, emphasize the opposite. They emphasize the breaks, the outer forces involved that got you there. They will say stuff like, “Good thing USC had an affirmative action program or you’d still be on 73 and Hoover hoping not to catch a stray bullet from the SouthLos 13 and Hoover gang warfare”. Or they may say something like, “you were probably a top student because the teachers were compassionate enough to give you a break and judge you at lower standards than the rest of the class”.
In other words, there is a fundamental difference at how we look at the same thing. Liberals emphasize the external breaks and the ‘luck’ involved. Conservatives emphasize the hard work and sweat. When we talk about ‘laziness’, we are not referring to the guy who is trying hard and can’t seem to get ahead, but the guy who doesn’t have the personal responsibility to work hard. You grew up in the ghetto too; you know there are people like that.
When a conservative sees someone in the ghetto, especially us that grew up in the ghetto, we tell them about what hard work and dedication will get them. We say study hard; it truly pays off in the end. There is light at the end of the tunnel. You can make it with hard work and dedication. Your hard work will pay off. We use minorities in power as examples of people who made it through hard work and dedication. We use them as inspirational stories of someone who beat all odds to be the first Hispanic Attorney General or the first black female Secretery of State.
Sure there were breaks involved. Sure there were external forces that helped them get to where they were. I don’t know of anybody that made it without some form of breaks. Even if it’s just getting a free meal from a friends house when you had no money, everybody has had breaks. But what do you emphasize? Do you emphasize the breaks, or do you emphasize the hard work? The hard work is the only thing that most people have control over. The hard work is what is in your control, and the part of the ’success equation’ that you can change. The external forces, good or bad, for the most part are out of your hands.
So that is why we conservatives find it very offensive when you stress the breaks or external forces. We see it as taking away from the hard work and dedication that was involved. When I read what ThatColoredFellas said about Alberto Gonzales, and more importantly, minority Republicans in general, it was very offensive.
It would be like me responding to your long post on your accomplishments with, “Good thing there was affirmative action”. Never once mentioning your hard work and sweat that I am sure was involved in where you got.
If you deny that that would be offensive to you, you are too deep in your liberalism that you will never understand why it’s offensive to us.
Oh, and one more thing. Liberals and Conservatives BOTH want the best for minorities, and people in the ghetto. We just believe in a different formula than you do. For you to sit on your holier than thou chair and assume that because we don’t ascribe to your formula, that somehow that makes us against minorities is ALSO very offensive. For all the talk and accusations you make against conservatives sounding ‘elitest’, you sure sound elitist yourself.
For those that want more on this topic, David Scott Anderson and I have exchanged words over at his site…
Who played the race card?
Who used stereotype to drive home an agenda?
And who’s covering their tracks?
Hold your nose:
http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/opinion//index.php?ntid=18663
HP said:
You’ve stated above that you do not know Alberto’s record, yet you rush to the defense of someone who implied that the primary reason he was hired was because of his race?
I asked HP to specifically cite the passage where I said this! Nothing so far. The ‘implication’ is therefore a product of your distortion and/or insecurity.
BP said:
And yes, the color fella is a racist bigot by saying Powell earned his position because he is black!!! That’s fucken stupidity!!! Give credit where credit is due…
Let me try this again. I believe that if a white man held the same beliefs as Colin Powell (pro-choice, pro-Affirmative Action, pro-diplomacy), Bush would never put such a person in the position of Sec. Of State.
Let me try this again. I believe that if a white man held the same beliefs as Colin Powell (pro-choice, pro-Affirmative Action, pro-diplomacy), Bush would never put such a person in the position of Sec. Of State.
What does pro-choice, pro-affirmative action has to do with being secretary of state? NOTHING!!!
BP,
Name another member of the Bush administration (other than Condi) that possesses these views?
Why is a member of the Republican Party under assault by the Right, for merely suggesting an anti-choice nominee would probably not be confirmed by the Senate?
What is a Lt. Governor with no power or budget doing as one of the featured speakers at the Republican Convention?
If Condi Rice’s resume sufficiently qualifies her to be Sec. Of State, why didn’t Bush reference those qualifications instead of her ‘hard scrabbled life growing up in Birmingham, Al’?
Explain This?
ThatColoredFella, let me remind you what you said, you write,
“I have come to the conclusion that if you’re going to be a minority race Republican - specifically a Bush minority Republican – there’s a good chance you’re coming equipped with a self-delusional character flaw. For example, it will manifest itself as a radical political ideology, which goes against your upbringing, culture and heritage. Or, is represented by the bubble of self-denial you’ve created, which allows you to dismiss that your race (and not your abilities and accomplishments), has brought you such success.”(emphasis added)
You specifically made a generalization about minority race Republicans. This was more than just Alberto Gonzales, or anybody else. You made a broad racial generalization.
As for political disagreements, there are plenty in the White House. Dick Cheney disagrees with Bush on the constitutionalal gay ban, Thompson disagreed with Bush on embryonic stem cell research, Bush even had a democrat in his administration.
You keep acting as if being pro-abortion or pro-affirmative action has anything to do with the position of secretary of state or national security advisor. In the capacity of that post those views are irrelevant.
So instead of acting like your a fly on the wall in White House meetings, why not stick to the facts, and give credit where credit is due.
Amen HispanicPundit
My generalization is my right, as it is my opinion. But, no matter how you try to twist or exaggerate my words, I clearly never said Gonzales got his job because he was Hispanic and I clearly never said Powell got his because he’s Black.
You said there were ‘plenty’ of political disagreements in the White House, you named to obvious ones. Anymore?
Since you’re still gonna play dumb, I’ll spell it out. There is a ideological litmus test in the GOP and the White House, that will only be excused by extenuating circumstances. Guess what they are? (Powell, Guiliani, Ahhnold) If not, why is Arlen Specter a target?
Still waiting for an explanation for the link I provided BP! Pass??
I specifically highlighted your generality above ThatColoredFellah, it was a generalization about minority race Republicans. I said many times that this was more than just Alberto Gonzales, or anybody else. You made a broad racial generalization.
As for White House disagreements and Bush appointees. Oh my gosh, I think you’re right, holy cow, I think I get your point now, I don’t know why I didn’t see this before…Let me call my congressmen…
Ladies and gentlemen, the horror, the tragedy, ThatColoredFellah just proved that, get ready, here it comes,
BUSH PICKS REPUBLICANS TO SERVE IN HIS ADMINISTRATION
Hurry, go and complain to your congressmen…
thatcoloredfella,
you said in comment 41 :
But, no matter how you try to twist or exaggerate my words, I clearly never said Gonzales got his job because he was Hispanic and I clearly never said Powell got his because he’s Black.
Ok, now in comment 4 you said:
Colin Powell is pro-choice, pro-Affirmative Action and a foreign policy pragmatist, who believes in the power of engagement and diplomacy.
If he were not Black, he never would’ve been Secretary of State.
You sound like John Kerry… I see many liberals are the same…
I’d also like to spell out something that ThatColoredFellah has a hard time understanding. He keeps implying that these philosophical differences are of grave importance.
He uses Spector as an example. But Spector is in a position where his philosophy views mean something. Spectors pro-choice views could effect his decisions as judicial chair.
Colin Powells pro-affirmative action views, or pro-choice views, have absolutely no bearing on his position of secretery of state. On the other hand, Thompson was for Embryonic Stem Cell research, AND was Secretary of Health & Human Services. A position where those beliefs can influence.
But I don’t see liberals implying that he got the job because of his strong ties to Bush, or his race?
But nominate a minority to power, and it has to be because of some special connection to Bush, or primarily because his race.
Typical liberals.
That colored fella,
As far as the link u sent, I do not see how this pertains to this topic. Maybe it was a racist remark from Pappageorge. But that has nothing to do with your comments saying people got to where they are because of their race.
You said:
If Condi Rice’s resume sufficiently qualifies her to be Sec. Of State, why didn’t Bush reference those qualifications instead of her ‘hard scrabbled life growing up in Birmingham, Al’?
Who cares what bush said!!! Let’s look at the facts.
Fact 1: Secretary of State is responsible for foreign affairs.
Fact 2: Condoleezza Rice has a masters in political science and has a PhD in Foreign Affairs
Fact 3: She taught at Stanford University as a political science professor. You don’t just fill out a job application for this position. Plus she won two of the highest teaching honors.
Fact 4: She has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution.
Fact 5: She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, plus she is a Russian expert and speaks Russian and other languages fluently.
Hey there are too many qualifications to call… just follow this link to prove yourself wrong: http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html
thatcoloredfella, we may be conservative, but we are right. It You have clearly been caught in a flip-flop. Now is the time to admit defeat on this topic. You will have many opportunities to strike back on other post. It would be a sign of honor and character to admit defeat. The longer you wait, the more you look like a blind liberal. We have educated you on this topic. Now join us and go for with your new knowledge and spread the gospel on more liberal sites. Its time to uplift minority role models like Gonzales, Powell and Rice. Our children need this. Or would you prefer Sean P. Diddy Combs and the NBA do it for us? Good day.
Looks like we scared everyone away…. I hear nothing and see tumble weeds…
-BlackPundit
The comments about Powell are interesting. Powell states that he wouldn’t have gotten to where he is, or at least gotten to be in the position to be selected, if it weren’t for affirmative action.
Condi Rice supports affirmative action.
Both are qualified, but conservatives never mention affirmative action when it comes to Rice and Powell.
You are talking a good game. But will “conservatives” promote people like Earl Graves, Sr. or Cathy Hughes? Both of them are successful. Both of them have impressive stories, especially Cathy Huges. Both of them are called “liberal”.
Whenever I’m dealing with you crafty and slippery Conservatives, I choose my words carefully. Because, your distortions and exaggerations of my words may ring true in this little Conservative Echo Chamber you’ve built, but not in the real world.
That’s why the vast majority of you do not venture outside this Freeper world, because that would subject your uncontested beliefs to scrutiny and criticism. Inside here, Ann Coulter is a patriot, in the real world she’s a proven hack, liar and embarrassment.
BP, you call me out as a racist, then I show you irrefutable evidence of your party doing just that, and suddenly it’s not relevant. But, could you do me the favor anyway of explaining how you justify that?
HP is planning to explain why he opposes Gay Marriage and Civil Unions, but offering up a simple opposing argument to the Mass. Supreme Court majority opinion, is too difficult.
I have answered all of your questions (no matter how asinine), but mine go unanswered:
Why is a member of the Republican Party under assault by the Right, for merely suggesting an anti-choice nominee would probably not be confirmed by the Senate?
What is a Lt. Governor with no power or budget doing as one of the featured speakers at the Republican Convention?
But, doing your bidding outside this Perfect World of yours, are the anonymous haters (gixxxerking) spreading hate, ignorance, bad grammar and even worse spelling. Is this a ’sign of honor and character’?
Well, I guess we’ve exhausted this subject matter, as I’ll take my leave, never to return. But, do me BIG favor guys? Please do not delete this entry and Comment thread! I’ve decided that I’m gonna update and re-publish my original blog post, link this entry/Comment thread and use you guys as Exhibit A and Exhibit B!
Thanks
ThatColoredFellaw writes,
Because, your distortions and exaggerations of my words may ring true in this little Conservative Echo Chamber you’ve built, but not in the real world.
That’s why the vast majority of you do not venture outside this Freeper world, because that would subject your uncontested beliefs to scrutiny and criticism. Inside here, Ann Coulter is a patriot, in the real world she’s a proven hack, liar and embarrassment.
Spoken like a true soldier from someone that supports a party that got their ass kicked in this last election.
It sure looks like it’s liberals like yourself that don’t spend enough time in the real world…
Oh and btw, the reason nobody addressed all your arguments directly was simply because we wanted to keep the focus on the topic at hand, try as you may to change the topic, or get us into a mud slinging contest, we kept this discussion focused.
Please, publicize this post, along with all the comments, so everyone can see. I will leave it unchanged.
Sorry, I just could not let this one go, HP! I’m very proud of my blog’s readership, because they reflect in my Comment threads an attention to detail, truth and clarity - attributes they yearn to find in a political blog.
As a contributor to another political commentary website, I have engaged the few Conservatives/Republicans writers/pundits/bloggers willing to step outside your perfect world, and open themselves up (and their ideology) to criticism and scrutiny.
They also come up with (as you exemplify here) lame excuses, alibis, conspiracy theories and rationalizations, to sidestep issues or evidence they rather not acknowledge or explain. Such as, belonging to a party that exploits ignorance, intolerance and racism. Your vaulted Conservative principles did not win voters over on Nov. 2nd, fear and hate did.
A dwindling 5 million vote margin is not an ass kicking, and all the votes have not been counted yet. Bush got the most votes cast against any sitting incumbent President in our nation’s history. He has single-handedly turned most of the world against us, and has swollen the ranks of terrorists.
I see why you’re so very bitter, on guard and close-minded - it’s an America I wouldn’t want to defend or explain either.
“…Why is a member of the Republican Party under assault by the Right, for merely suggesting an anti-choice nominee would probably not be confirmed by the Senate?…”
Because - if he were to exercise this stance in his domestic leadership position, it would conflict with the prevailing sentiment of his party.
“… Powell states that he wouldn’t have gotten to where he is, or at least gotten to be in the position to be selected, if it weren’t for affirmative action.
Condi Rice supports affirmative action…”
While these positions are probably not in the mainstream of the Republican party, they have virtually no impact on the conduct of our foreign policy (which, after all, is the province of the Secretary of State).
And yes, Given the social climate of the 70s and 80s when Powell and Rice were in junior positions, it would be asinine to deny that they were beneficiaries of AA.
They are clearly beyond that today. (Even though Clinton pledged to appoint a cabinet “looking more like America”, he never can close to fulfilling that in the way W has.)
A dwindling 5 million vote margin is not an ass kicking, and all the votes have not been counted yet. Bush got the most votes cast against any sitting incumbent President in our nation’s history. He has single-handedly turned most of the world against us, and has swollen the ranks of terrorists.
I see I touched a nerve with my latest response, didn’t I, ThatColoredFella? I could tell, since you gave me a free assesment of my psychological make up (others would say you got personal)
But here’s a piece of trivia for you, it was Bush, something Clinton never could do, that cracked the 50% voter point. That hasn’t been done since the 80’s.
Oh and one more thing, Bush got more votes than any President ever got, in history.
Just a small piece of trivia, nothing personal, but please feel free to tell me my motivations behind posting this if it will make you feel better.
And yes, Given the social climate of the 70s and 80s when Powell and Rice were in junior positions, it would be asinine to deny that they were beneficiaries of AA.
Powell doesn’t deny it. My point is, Powell, while qualified, was able to get those qualifications by expanding the talent pool. That’s not mentioned about them.
Now, anyone want to address why conservatives don’t point out Earl Graves or Cathy Hughes?
Alberto and Roberto are names very similar to one another. That’s a real big stretch to call a mixup in names RACISM.. Give me a friggin’ break and quit whining.
I didn’t call him a racist because of the mix up, I called him a racist because he made a generalization that all ‘minority race republicans’ got to where they are because of their race. The confusion of names was just an FYI at the end of a post.
Forget RepubliKKKans and forget Democrats. Blacks and Latinos need to form an Independent political party that is a challenge to the two party system. RepubliKKKans only care about people of color that serve as yes men. Look at the case of Powell and Rice. Powell is critical of war with Iraq, and gets put on the backburner. Rice cheerleads the war, and replaces Powell. The right wing has given us: English-Only, cut bilingual education, anti-immigrant rhetoric, anti-affirmative action, more jails instead of schools, tax cuts for the rich, and opposes organized labor which protects wages and benefits for workers of color. Ironically, the icon of black conservatism, Jesse Lee Peterson, raises hell about black people blaming white people for their problems…yet Peterson has made a career out of blaming legal and illegal aliens for social problems. Hey Peterson…how about trying a little personal responsbility for once (your exact words too, buddy)?
Democrats only care about minorities come election time. They are not much better than their opponents. People of color need to unite and challenge this two party system. It is time to stop letting rich, elitist white people who have absolutely no contact with Blacks and Latinos telling us what our problems are. F*ck the system!
What I am about to say has little to do with politics in an obvious way, but has more to do with how politics reflect the perceptions of everyday people.
I am a soon to be minister — interfaith. It’s my last year and it’s time to start thinking about the future and in this search for the future, I happened upon “liberal” churchs. While I get what they’re talking about the experience has left me feeling somewhat apprehensive. I have found myself in the company of so called liberals for one reason or another my entire life and I have found that they’re perceptions on race and/or ethnicity are more detrimental than any interaction with Klansman or Neo-Nazi largely because they are so convinced of the evolution of the limits on racism or biggotry that they won’t even entertain the idea that one is being harmed or being used; they frequently make biggotted comments such as the like I read above that are dismissive — so and so would not have gotten a, b, or c had not so and so been black, hispanic, asian, native american southeast asian; “Who played the race card” as if racism is a game…
It’s the presumption of the dismissiveness that worries me; what, in the first place, gives them the right to make decrees on any group that is not white? This action has usually been a white behavior; does it matter that a self proclaimed liberal just because s/he is liberal has the right to decree who gets what because of race and/or ethnicity or how they get what they get? The act of making a decree actually maintains the white perspective on social matters.
What has any of this everyday social interaction have to do with republicans and democrats? These groups are confronted by and/or have succumbed to the aforementioned presumptions; they also wield an enormous amount of power — the combination is potentially problematic.
Editor, an excellent and powerful book suggestion for your readers: 3rd ed. of: Race and the Rise of the Republican Party, 1848-1865. Backed by 18 years of research this is a serious treatment of US racism/ethnocentrism and is not for the timid. Dr. James D. Bilotta/raceandrepublicans.com
There is no way to argue with the relgious right on this issue. Hard core conservatives will back a republican like gonzalez no matter how tanted he is. Arguing with them is like arguing with a wall. Fuck Gonzalez
There is no way to argue with the relgious right on this issue. Hard core conservatives will back a republican like gonzalez no matter how tanted he is. Arguing with them is like arguing with a wall. Fuck Gonzalez