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		<title>By: Hispanic Pundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/05/04/quote-of-the-day-242/#comment-8179</link>
		<dc:creator>Hispanic Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 04:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite a few actually, in fact, many of them are supported by Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize winner in Economics, and Caroline Huxby, professor of Economics at Harvard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a few actually, in fact, many of them are supported by Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize winner in Economics, and Caroline Huxby, professor of Economics at Harvard.</p>
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		<title>By: ReneB</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/05/04/quote-of-the-day-242/#comment-8176</link>
		<dc:creator>ReneB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 02:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP how many of those short list's of studies have been submitted to peer review?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP how many of those short list&#8217;s of studies have been submitted to peer review?</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/05/04/quote-of-the-day-242/#comment-8167</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 20:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, can you show me some sources for what you mention?

The reason I ask is what you say contradicts reality, for example, read &lt;a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/archives/2005/03/18/traditional-public-schools-vs-market-based-education/"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.

But let's assume for the moment that what you say is true, I don't believe it but for the sake of argument, let's assume it is true. Instead of arguing against vouchers on this basis, one could simply argue that the voucher to parents should increase, afterall, Democrats are always fighting for increased funding for education, so I am sure they should be willing to increase it for a system that empowers the parent. As far as basic credentials goes, one could simply ask for basic credentials to be implemented in a voucher system. 

Remember George, the heart of vouchers is not the amount of money to parents, or the amount of credentials the school system has, it is &lt;i&gt;competition&lt;/i&gt;. Competition in a system that is currently a monopoly, a government monopoly at that. So unless your criticism of vouchers rebuts that, the criticism doesn't go far enough to disprove vouchers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, can you show me some sources for what you mention?</p>
<p>The reason I ask is what you say contradicts reality, for example, read <a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/archives/2005/03/18/traditional-public-schools-vs-market-based-education/">this</a>.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s assume for the moment that what you say is true, I don&#8217;t believe it but for the sake of argument, let&#8217;s assume it is true. Instead of arguing against vouchers on this basis, one could simply argue that the voucher to parents should increase, afterall, Democrats are always fighting for increased funding for education, so I am sure they should be willing to increase it for a system that empowers the parent. As far as basic credentials goes, one could simply ask for basic credentials to be implemented in a voucher system. </p>
<p>Remember George, the heart of vouchers is not the amount of money to parents, or the amount of credentials the school system has, it is <i>competition</i>. Competition in a system that is currently a monopoly, a government monopoly at that. So unless your criticism of vouchers rebuts that, the criticism doesn&#8217;t go far enough to disprove vouchers.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/05/04/quote-of-the-day-242/#comment-8166</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 19:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"accrediated" should read "accreditated" and "credenntialed" should read "credentialed"  Sorry, G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;accrediated&#8221; should read &#8220;accreditated&#8221; and &#8220;credenntialed&#8221; should read &#8220;credentialed&#8221;  Sorry, G.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/05/04/quote-of-the-day-242/#comment-8165</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 19:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware of vouchers!!  As an educator, I have been following the history of vouchers  since they were last trotted out during the early '90's.  They always sound great, until one reads the fine print.  So you get a voucher from the government to educate your child in the amount of $10,000. a year, only to discover that any decent school's tuition is $15,000. per year.  Anyone can open up a school - it just takes 20 students and these schools may not be accrediated! Plus, they will not require credenntialed teachers.  I think the voucher idea is designed to end free public schooling, and if you don't have that extra $5,000 where are your kids going to go to school?  What a great way to segregate people and keep "certain" groups out of the certain voucher schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware of vouchers!!  As an educator, I have been following the history of vouchers  since they were last trotted out during the early &#8217;90&#8217;s.  They always sound great, until one reads the fine print.  So you get a voucher from the government to educate your child in the amount of $10,000. a year, only to discover that any decent school&#8217;s tuition is $15,000. per year.  Anyone can open up a school - it just takes 20 students and these schools may not be accrediated! Plus, they will not require credenntialed teachers.  I think the voucher idea is designed to end free public schooling, and if you don&#8217;t have that extra $5,000 where are your kids going to go to school?  What a great way to segregate people and keep &#8220;certain&#8221; groups out of the certain voucher schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Hispanic Pundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/05/04/quote-of-the-day-242/#comment-8111</link>
		<dc:creator>Hispanic Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 01:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There certainly is no magic bullet with our educational problem, but vouchers does show to be the &lt;a href="http://www.mackinac.org/article.asp?ID=6995"&gt;best solution currently on the table&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There certainly is no magic bullet with our educational problem, but vouchers does show to be the <a href="http://www.mackinac.org/article.asp?ID=6995">best solution currently on the table</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ReneB</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/05/04/quote-of-the-day-242/#comment-8110</link>
		<dc:creator>ReneB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 01:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vouchers, True Reform? if only it was that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vouchers, True Reform? if only it was that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/05/04/quote-of-the-day-242/#comment-8105</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 16:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at those who favor affirmative action, especially those who &lt;i&gt;strongly&lt;/i&gt; favor affirmative action, 99 times out of 100 the same people will focus primarily on higher level educational problems and have very outdated solutions to K-12 problems. They will either support some &lt;a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147731,00.html"&gt;dubious after school program&lt;/a&gt; or push for more money for public schools, both being the same solutions that were being pushed 30 years ago, and both having very low results.

What Navarette is saying is that the &lt;em&gt;emphasis&lt;/em&gt; should be on the big prize, the K-12 , where &lt;a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/archives/2005/03/30/nearly-half-of-blacks-latinos-drop-out-school-study-shows/"&gt;we lose most of our people&lt;/a&gt;. Interestingly, it is primarily those who reject affirmative action that primarily focus on the K-12 level of education, pushing for &lt;a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/archives/2005/02/23/a-face-to-school-vouchers/"&gt;true reform&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at those who favor affirmative action, especially those who <i>strongly</i> favor affirmative action, 99 times out of 100 the same people will focus primarily on higher level educational problems and have very outdated solutions to K-12 problems. They will either support some <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147731,00.html">dubious after school program</a> or push for more money for public schools, both being the same solutions that were being pushed 30 years ago, and both having very low results.</p>
<p>What Navarette is saying is that the <em>emphasis</em> should be on the big prize, the K-12 , where <a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/archives/2005/03/30/nearly-half-of-blacks-latinos-drop-out-school-study-shows/">we lose most of our people</a>. Interestingly, it is primarily those who reject affirmative action that primarily focus on the K-12 level of education, pushing for <a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/archives/2005/02/23/a-face-to-school-vouchers/">true reform</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: cindylu</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/05/04/quote-of-the-day-242/#comment-8104</link>
		<dc:creator>cindylu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 07:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvard educated Navarette needs to realize that there are plenty of Latinos concerned about K-12 education. Some of us see the fight on different fronts, not a matter of which one is wrong and which one is right. If we only have 25 African American men in the freshman class at a large public institution, I think it's perfectly fine for people to be concerned about that and fight for admissions reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvard educated Navarette needs to realize that there are plenty of Latinos concerned about K-12 education. Some of us see the fight on different fronts, not a matter of which one is wrong and which one is right. If we only have 25 African American men in the freshman class at a large public institution, I think it&#8217;s perfectly fine for people to be concerned about that and fight for admissions reform.</p>
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