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	<title>Comments on: Economic Myths: The 5 Day Work Week And The 8 Hour Day</title>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day/#comment-218740</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, did you also know that Henry Ford paid his employees double and cut their work day from 9 hours to 8 hours, so they could spend more time with their families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, did you also know that Henry Ford paid his employees double and cut their work day from 9 hours to 8 hours, so they could spend more time with their families.</p>
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		<title>By: Twitted by ReesForCongress</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day/#comment-215754</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitted by ReesForCongress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Twitter Trackbacks for Economic Myths: The 5 Day Work Week And The 8 Hour Day at Hispanic Pundit [hispanicpundit.com] on Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitter Trackbacks for Economic Myths: The 5 Day Work Week And The 8 Hour Day at Hispanic Pundit [hispanicpundit.com] on Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Economic Myths: The 5 Day Work Week And The 8 Hour Day at Hispanic Pundit  hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day &#8211; view page &#8211; cached  How many times have you been in an economic discussion with someone, discussing the benefits of competition, the power of markets, and the overall benefits of capitalism when someone blurts out that in any competitive system, unions and regulations are necessary, for without them, without their interference, we wouldn’t have a middle class, we wouldn’t have a five day work week or eight hour work days? I hear this all the time, I see it on bumper stickers, and it is so often repeated that I thought I’d blog on it and give the readers of my blog an edge on what really happened, and how to respond if they encounter the same topic. &#8212; From the page [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Economic Myths: The 5 Day Work Week And The 8 Hour Day at Hispanic Pundit  hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day &ndash; view page &ndash; cached  How many times have you been in an economic discussion with someone, discussing the benefits of competition, the power of markets, and the overall benefits of capitalism when someone blurts out that in any competitive system, unions and regulations are necessary, for without them, without their interference, we wouldn’t have a middle class, we wouldn’t have a five day work week or eight hour work days? I hear this all the time, I see it on bumper stickers, and it is so often repeated that I thought I’d blog on it and give the readers of my blog an edge on what really happened, and how to respond if they encounter the same topic. &mdash; From the page [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: wrestler12</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day/#comment-196715</link>
		<dc:creator>wrestler12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so that is how we got the five day slave 8 hour work week. Ford is both evil and a genius. I'm sure he is down with the masonic order. I can understand why most americans what to go into an independent business for themselves. Who wants to slave their life away for corporations collecting off their souls to make themselves more rich. I truly understand now that if you love what you do and make a living off of it you will gain true prosperity. If you are only working for money like most people do, then your prosperity is a pipe-dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so that is how we got the five day slave 8 hour work week. Ford is both evil and a genius. I&#8217;m sure he is down with the masonic order. I can understand why most americans what to go into an independent business for themselves. Who wants to slave their life away for corporations collecting off their souls to make themselves more rich. I truly understand now that if you love what you do and make a living off of it you will gain true prosperity. If you are only working for money like most people do, then your prosperity is a pipe-dream.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterTheNotSoGreat</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day/#comment-191570</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterTheNotSoGreat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to forget that it was Ford's bad management decisions that have caused it to become uncompetitive with other automobile companies like Toyota. A case in point is Ford's recent decision to hire back laid off workers because they are going to increase the production of those gas guzzler F=150 pickup trucks (seems like some of us are addicted to these monsters no matter what). But this is just one example of how American companies have traded long term profitability for short term gains which in turn translates into lost jobs. Sure, eventually bad CEOs get replaced but unfortunately mostly after they have run down perfectly good companies down to the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to forget that it was Ford&#8217;s bad management decisions that have caused it to become uncompetitive with other automobile companies like Toyota. A case in point is Ford&#8217;s recent decision to hire back laid off workers because they are going to increase the production of those gas guzzler F=150 pickup trucks (seems like some of us are addicted to these monsters no matter what). But this is just one example of how American companies have traded long term profitability for short term gains which in turn translates into lost jobs. Sure, eventually bad CEOs get replaced but unfortunately mostly after they have run down perfectly good companies down to the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day/#comment-190831</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa,

Did you actually believe alot of what Naomi Klein wrote about Milton Friedman? Have you ever read Milton Friedman? Because anybody with even a cursory knowledge of the guy knows it was a gross misrepresentation. &lt;a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/128903.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;See this review of the book, for example. &lt;/a&gt;

Don't trust its economics either. For example, even liberal economist Dani Rodrik says the book is garbage...see &lt;a href="http://rodrik.typepad.com/dani_rodriks_weblog/2007/10/bad-books-need-.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa,</p>
<p>Did you actually believe alot of what Naomi Klein wrote about Milton Friedman? Have you ever read Milton Friedman? Because anybody with even a cursory knowledge of the guy knows it was a gross misrepresentation. <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/128903.html" rel="nofollow">See this review of the book, for example. </a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t trust its economics either. For example, even liberal economist Dani Rodrik says the book is garbage&#8230;see <a href="http://rodrik.typepad.com/dani_rodriks_weblog/2007/10/bad-books-need-.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: melissa</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day/#comment-190825</link>
		<dc:creator>melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you believe in milton friedman you should read the shock doctrine by naomi klein. i think you will see that miltons extreme views are very harmfull to the middle class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe in milton friedman you should read the shock doctrine by naomi klein. i think you will see that miltons extreme views are very harmfull to the middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca DeWolf</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day/#comment-190182</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca DeWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you please read Karl Marx's Capital...I am so sick and tired of people saying they have an understanding of Marx by just reading the Communist Manifesto ... guess what he wrote another text where he refines his argument and shows his admiration of capitalism but also its pitfalls. I know if is a big text (volume 1 over 1000 pages) but since you seem so interested in Marx and capitalism maybe you should check this work out. Also, think abut re-reading Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, I think you missed some of his points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you please read Karl Marx&#8217;s Capital&#8230;I am so sick and tired of people saying they have an understanding of Marx by just reading the Communist Manifesto &#8230; guess what he wrote another text where he refines his argument and shows his admiration of capitalism but also its pitfalls. I know if is a big text (volume 1 over 1000 pages) but since you seem so interested in Marx and capitalism maybe you should check this work out. Also, think abut re-reading Adam Smith&#8217;s Wealth of Nations, I think you missed some of his points.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day/#comment-186202</link>
		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you overstate your case given your dependence on one example. I'm not as familiar with the USofA, but if you look at what happened in many other companies, it was clearly the power of people unifying that changed working conditions.

Strikes in Toronto led to the legalizing of unions in Canada, and after that point they succeeded in reducing the work hours to 6days*9hours, and later added things like employment insurance and universal health insurance.

Without the time of social forces unions brought (whether it was actually unions or not) children were the cheap workers instead of third world nations. People were whipped and beaten if they didn't make quota.

I really don't like 90% of what unions do today, but historically they were necessary when our politics was run by a few elitist rich men.

In answer to the "if you work hard, there will always be work for you," line---that's great if your health lasts. Most employers would still fire someone who got hurt at work if it wasn't illegal---after all they can't afford to pay someone who isn't working.

Personally, however, I don't understand the requirement to join a union---it's completely undemocratic. I think that you should have the choice to opt out of a union, and I think that unions should not have a monopoly---if 30% of the workers join one union, and 40% join another and 30% opt out, that should be fine. It will make for chaos during contract talks, but eventually people will either get behind the more effective union or get rid of it altogether.

If you opt out, though you should not automatically benefit from union contracts---you should have to set up your own contracts with your employer. Obviously, one of your arguments can be---"if you don't treat me well I'll go join the union."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you overstate your case given your dependence on one example. I&#8217;m not as familiar with the USofA, but if you look at what happened in many other companies, it was clearly the power of people unifying that changed working conditions.</p>
<p>Strikes in Toronto led to the legalizing of unions in Canada, and after that point they succeeded in reducing the work hours to 6days*9hours, and later added things like employment insurance and universal health insurance.</p>
<p>Without the time of social forces unions brought (whether it was actually unions or not) children were the cheap workers instead of third world nations. People were whipped and beaten if they didn&#8217;t make quota.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t like 90% of what unions do today, but historically they were necessary when our politics was run by a few elitist rich men.</p>
<p>In answer to the &#8220;if you work hard, there will always be work for you,&#8221; line&#8212;that&#8217;s great if your health lasts. Most employers would still fire someone who got hurt at work if it wasn&#8217;t illegal&#8212;after all they can&#8217;t afford to pay someone who isn&#8217;t working.</p>
<p>Personally, however, I don&#8217;t understand the requirement to join a union&#8212;it&#8217;s completely undemocratic. I think that you should have the choice to opt out of a union, and I think that unions should not have a monopoly&#8212;if 30% of the workers join one union, and 40% join another and 30% opt out, that should be fine. It will make for chaos during contract talks, but eventually people will either get behind the more effective union or get rid of it altogether.</p>
<p>If you opt out, though you should not automatically benefit from union contracts&#8212;you should have to set up your own contracts with your employer. Obviously, one of your arguments can be&#8212;&#8221;if you don&#8217;t treat me well I&#8217;ll go join the union.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/09/21/economic-myths-the-5-day-work-week-and-the-8-hour-day/#comment-185669</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, we all can see what unions are doing to GM and Ford....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, we all can see what unions are doing to GM and Ford&#8230;.</p>
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