Comments on: What Is The Cause Of Poverty Among Minorities? Not Race http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/ Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:19:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: ken http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-183898 ken Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:07:33 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-183898 Let look at the numbers here White - to - Black 06.0 - to - 09.9 26.4 - to - 39.5 Ok Historic Discrimination built in to the system can be said to cause 3.9% to 13.1% of poverty. Married to Unmarried 9.9 - to - 39.9 6.0 - to - 26.4 Being unmarried causes 20.4% to 30% of Poverty Which is the Bigger Problem? Let look at the numbers here

White - to - Black
06.0 - to - 09.9
26.4 - to - 39.5

Ok Historic Discrimination built in to the system can be said to cause 3.9% to 13.1% of poverty.

Married to Unmarried
9.9 - to - 39.9
6.0 - to - 26.4

Being unmarried causes 20.4% to 30% of Poverty

Which is the Bigger Problem?

]]> By: Joshua http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-88880 Joshua Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:48:27 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-88880 I disagree with the statement that the history of slavery and racism doesn't account for the gaps of today. If you look back in history you can find a lot of examples of history controlling today’s gaps. African Americans for instance have had a history of slavery, once they were freed they were simply let go. No jobs no marketable skills save for working in a field. If someone had the choice to hire a white man or a black man back then they would hire the white man regardless of skill. This created a problem for generations of black families. You can look at the example of women too. They were discriminated against as well in the past. Only recently have they been given the same right as men. But still a woman working the same job as a man gets paid less on overage. 75 cents per dollar for men. "In poverty, as in certain propositions in physics, starting conditions are everything." And as far as personal values and goals come into play and settling for a mediocre existence, have you ever thought that one of the means of survival today consists of people having children to get aid from the government. Suddenly having a child and being a single parent makes it possible for you to receive free money from the government. Which in itself creates another burden on society and the mother of the child. I don't think it's personal morals completely that decides if someone will squeeze one out and not be marries. You won't get aid if you are married. I'm not saying morals don't play any part in it just not as big of a part as someone might think. We have created a system that encourages single parent, mainly single mother, families to survive in this country if you don't have the means to survive on your own. I disagree with the statement that the history of slavery and racism doesn’t account for the gaps of today. If you look back in history you can find a lot of examples of history controlling today’s gaps. African Americans for instance have had a history of slavery, once they were freed they were simply let go. No jobs no marketable skills save for working in a field. If someone had the choice to hire a white man or a black man back then they would hire the white man regardless of skill. This created a problem for generations of black families. You can look at the example of women too. They were discriminated against as well in the past. Only recently have they been given the same right as men. But still a woman working the same job as a man gets paid less on overage. 75 cents per dollar for men. “In poverty, as in certain propositions in physics, starting conditions are everything.” And as far as personal values and goals come into play and settling for a mediocre existence, have you ever thought that one of the means of survival today consists of people having children to get aid from the government. Suddenly having a child and being a single parent makes it possible for you to receive free money from the government. Which in itself creates another burden on society and the mother of the child. I don’t think it’s personal morals completely that decides if someone will squeeze one out and not be marries. You won’t get aid if you are married. I’m not saying morals don’t play any part in it just not as big of a part as someone might think. We have created a system that encourages single parent, mainly single mother, families to survive in this country if you don’t have the means to survive on your own.

]]> By: HispanicPundit http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73851 HispanicPundit Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:58:45 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73851 I agree 100% with you Irasali. I agree 100% with you Irasali.

]]> By: irasali http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73849 irasali Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:56:22 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73849 i think its deeper than just having a solid and 'traditional' family structure. i mean i think it makes a HUGE difference to have a united two parent household but i also think there are a lot of other factors that need to be taken into account when we talk about people living in poverty--such as education level and contacts. jesus might play some role in it, i've seen church networks come to the rescue for some individuals but i think personal values and goals can make a HUGE difference as well. making the personal decision not to settle for a mediocre existence should be enough to get you ahead, that doesn't necessarily mean its going to be easy. i think its deeper than just having a solid and ‘traditional’ family structure. i mean i think it makes a HUGE difference to have a united two parent household but i also think there are a lot of other factors that need to be taken into account when we talk about people living in poverty–such as education level and contacts. jesus might play some role in it, i’ve seen church networks come to the rescue for some individuals but i think personal values and goals can make a HUGE difference as well. making the personal decision not to settle for a mediocre existence should be enough to get you ahead, that doesn’t necessarily mean its going to be easy.

]]> By: Scott http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73163 Scott Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:34:49 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73163 And yes, people still need Jesus. He calls for both individual accountability (don't blame the man) and corporate change (to real systemic problems). Buddha can't call for what Jesus does. Mohammed split personality of war/peace can't offer what Jesus does. But that's all another topic for another day. And yes, people still need Jesus. He calls for both individual accountability (don’t blame the man) and corporate change (to real systemic problems). Buddha can’t call for what Jesus does. Mohammed split personality of war/peace can’t offer what Jesus does. But that’s all another topic for another day.

]]> By: Scott http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73162 Scott Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:31:59 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73162 HP - Great link from Sowell. Most agree with the "subsidized unwed pregnancy" comment. I still believe that the roots of <i>poverty</i> (not recovery) that Sowell points to from the 60's "War on Poverty" are the same "root" problems of systemic disintegration of the family that were legislated in slavery. The ideological continuation is the same, even if Sowell is right that there was a break from this pattern historically from the 30's to the 60's. HP - Great link from Sowell. Most agree with the “subsidized unwed pregnancy” comment. I still believe that the roots of poverty (not recovery) that Sowell points to from the 60’s “War on Poverty” are the same “root” problems of systemic disintegration of the family that were legislated in slavery.

The ideological continuation is the same, even if Sowell is right that there was a break from this pattern historically from the 30’s to the 60’s.

]]> By: HispanicPundit http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73109 HispanicPundit Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:49:58 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73109 I agree that slavery had a negative impact on the marriage rate for Blacks, but I don't think it <em>fully</em> accounts for the large gap that currently exists, if I had to attribute it to one primary factor, I would say it is more related to <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2004/08/17/a_painful_anniversary" rel="nofollow">this</a>, and things like it, than slavery. I agree that slavery had a negative impact on the marriage rate for Blacks, but I don’t think it fully accounts for the large gap that currently exists, if I had to attribute it to one primary factor, I would say it is more related to this, and things like it, than slavery.

]]> By: mortalez http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73104 mortalez Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:58:56 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73104 eeeerrrr is'nt spain 97% catholic? eeeerrrr is’nt spain 97% catholic?

]]> By: DD http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73099 DD Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:45:02 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73099 The Spanish need Jesus too. ;) The Spanish need Jesus too. ;)

]]> By: mortalez http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73078 mortalez Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:54:11 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/11/01/what-is-the-cause-of-poverty-among-minorities-not-race/#comment-73078 people need jesus? wasn't that said right before the spanish inquisition ? seriously , I read a study 9 years ago that says blacks actually earn more than white if you only count those over the middle class line , this could be because most black who make it out of poverty are in union or government jobs which usually have cost of living increases every year. Even though the majority of union members in this country are white males, there is a highers percentage of black in the unions based on total population of said groups. Heck I know alot of brothaz personally who would quit jobs left and right , then get a union job , and they are at work everyday. Why? because of job security. Brothaz tend to have more loyalty when they are getting paid more , and have good benifits . people need jesus? wasn’t that said right before the spanish inquisition ?
seriously , I read a study 9 years ago that says blacks actually earn more than white if you only count those over the middle class line , this could be because most black who make it out of poverty are in union or government jobs which usually have cost of living increases every year. Even though the majority of union members in this country are white males, there is a highers percentage of black in the unions based on total population of said groups.
Heck I know alot of brothaz personally who would quit jobs left and right , then get a union job , and they are at work everyday. Why? because of job security. Brothaz tend to have more loyalty when they are getting paid more , and have good benifits .

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