Comments on: The Other Side To The Immigration Debate http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/ Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:54:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Brianna Rivera http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-178068 Brianna Rivera Mon, 05 May 2008 15:46:04 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-178068 Well, i come from a mexican family. my parents are both full mexican and i was born here. i hate to see that many of my family members cant come to the united States, because they are illegal. When will this ever stop? i hate how some people are racist againts illegal mexicans, calling them "illegal aliens" they are just like you.! they are hunmans and should have the right to anything they want just like a typicall american does.this is a big problem now days. and it hurts many people. in many cases parents get seperated from their children no matte rhow old they are. this si really sad. this needs to stop. if it does ill thank god and because its smething that not only i want, but what many other people around the world want.it would be better for everybody to just be free, because the only reason why illegal mexicans come to this country, is to seek a better life for themselves and their families. Well, i come from a mexican family. my parents are both full mexican and i was born here. i hate to see that many of my family members cant come to the united States, because they are illegal. When will this ever stop? i hate how some people are racist againts illegal mexicans, calling them “illegal aliens” they are just like you.! they are hunmans and should have the right to anything they want just like a typicall american does.this is a big problem now days. and it hurts many people. in many cases parents get seperated from their children no matte rhow old they are. this si really sad. this needs to stop. if it does ill thank god and because its smething that not only i want, but what many other people around the world want.it would be better for everybody to just be free, because the only reason why illegal mexicans come to this country, is to seek a better life for themselves and their families.

]]> By: docamous http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-148712 docamous Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:36:07 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-148712 just a note on the language issue: my friend gustavo lets me know how well his friends and family speak english by telling me how long they've been in the country. if they've been here more than 14 months, i know that they speak well enough to have a conversation. if they've been here less than 6 months, i have to stretch my tiny spanish vocabulary. my partner says that he always admired americans because when they came to mexico they weren't afraid to try out their really bad spanish. mexicans, on the other hand, fear the embarrasment of expessing themselves badly, and will keep mum if they are not sure how to put something. I've heard people criticize mexicans for this, saying that they know more english than they let on. it would be more accurate to say that they know more english than they realize. my friend Raul came here legally because his father is american. His father was born in Texas, lived there for 20 years, moved to Chihuahua and got married, and then moved back to the US in his senior years. He's in his 70s now, having spent more than half his life in Texas, and he never learned to speak english. just a note on the language issue:
my friend gustavo lets me know how well his friends and family speak english by telling me how long they’ve been in the country. if they’ve been here more than 14 months, i know that they speak well enough to have a conversation. if they’ve been here less than 6 months, i have to stretch my tiny spanish vocabulary.

my partner says that he always admired americans because when they came to mexico they weren’t afraid to try out their really bad spanish. mexicans, on the other hand, fear the embarrasment of expessing themselves badly, and will keep mum if they are not sure how to put something. I’ve heard people criticize mexicans for this, saying that they know more english than they let on. it would be more accurate to say that they know more english than they realize.

my friend Raul came here legally because his father is american. His father was born in Texas, lived there for 20 years, moved to Chihuahua and got married, and then moved back to the US in his senior years. He’s in his 70s now, having spent more than half his life in Texas, and he never learned to speak english.

]]> By: docamous http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-148710 docamous Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:01:34 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-148710 My partner and his friends took part in the rally in Dallas. There was a lone man standing in the crowd with a sign reading "Stop Illegal Immigration". To my mind, knowing the struggles of my friends, the only response to that is "Allow Legal Immigration". Nobody wants to be illegal (an important factor that the hardliners fail to acknowledge), but the way the laws are set up has left 12 million with no option. (I know there are a few Marie Antoinettes out there who want to say, Let them stay home.) I read online the requirements for coming into the country legally, and it became clear to me why so many are here illegally. the qualifications are so narrow and limiting that it's practically impossible for anyone without money, family here leagally, or special skills that set them apart to have any legal recourse. Why are we as a nation so eager to reject the tired, the poor, the huddled masses? My cöworker says, We can't let everybody in. True, but who is it we are trying to keep out? Obviously, the terrorists, the drug dealers, the habitual and violent criminals--a tiny percentage of those who want to be here. But what about the rest? Why is the poor, honest, struggling farmer with kids to feed not presented with a legal option to come here and find work? It's not, as someone above said, a matter of "taking the time" to go through the process. If he doesn't have family here, if he doesn't already have a job here, if marriage is not an option, if he hasn't invested at least $50,000 dollars in some US interest, then he's just screwed. And that, folks, is the reason we have so many illegal aliens in this country. My partner and his friends took part in the rally in Dallas. There was a lone man standing in the crowd with a sign reading “Stop Illegal Immigration”. To my mind, knowing the struggles of my friends, the only response to that is “Allow Legal Immigration”. Nobody wants to be illegal (an important factor that the hardliners fail to acknowledge), but the way the laws are set up has left 12 million with no option. (I know there are a few Marie Antoinettes out there who want to say, Let them stay home.) I read online the requirements for coming into the country legally, and it became clear to me why so many are here illegally. the qualifications are so narrow and limiting that it’s practically impossible for anyone without money, family here leagally, or special skills that set them apart to have any legal recourse. Why are we as a nation so eager to reject the tired, the poor, the huddled masses?
My cöworker says, We can’t let everybody in. True, but who is it we are trying to keep out? Obviously, the terrorists, the drug dealers, the habitual and violent criminals–a tiny percentage of those who want to be here. But what about the rest? Why is the poor, honest, struggling farmer with kids to feed not presented with a legal option to come here and find work? It’s not, as someone above said, a matter of “taking the time” to go through the process. If he doesn’t have family here, if he doesn’t already have a job here, if marriage is not an option, if he hasn’t invested at least $50,000 dollars in some US interest, then he’s just screwed. And that, folks, is the reason we have so many illegal aliens in this country.

]]> By: El Profe http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-90293 El Profe Mon, 08 May 2006 22:14:24 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-90293 I think that the simple act of entering the United States without permission cannot possibly be seen as vile an act as stealing a car or murdering a person. Why can't intelligent people understand that? For all the high-falootin' wordplay evident in this "debate", it seems that the very "debate" hinges on this and I'm tired of it. Americans will not be happy until their greed brings the current world to an end. I think that the simple act of entering the United States without permission cannot possibly be seen as vile an act as stealing a car or murdering a person. Why can’t intelligent people understand that? For all the high-falootin’ wordplay evident in this “debate”, it seems that the very “debate” hinges on this and I’m tired of it. Americans will not be happy until their greed brings the current world to an end.

]]> By: Observer http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-90144 Observer Sat, 06 May 2006 22:25:52 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-90144 “Those who cannot be trusted in one thing, may not be trustworthy in others.” -Dan Kauffman LOL So profound. I’d like to add that, those who can be trusted in one thing, may not be trustworthy in others. WTF!? “Those who cannot be trusted in one thing, may not be trustworthy in others.”

-Dan Kauffman

LOL So profound.

I’d like to add that, those who can be trusted in one thing, may not be trustworthy in others.
WTF!?

]]> By: Dan Kauffman http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-90104 Dan Kauffman Sat, 06 May 2006 04:54:58 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-90104 <blockquote>I am by most standards pro-immigration. I strongly believe that immigration, on net total, is an overall boom to this country, both economically and culturally. I don’t just mean legal immigrants either, I also believe this is the case with illegal immigrants as well </blockquote> I do not consider myself anti-immigrant, after all some of my ancestors got here that way, the rest walked over from Siberia on the Berring Landbridge at the end of the Last Ice Age. BUT I take umbrage to this part of your statement <blockquote>I don’t just mean legal immigrants either, I also believe this is the case with illegal immigrants as well </blockquote> If you apporve of millions of Aliens entering this country Illegally and maybe deciding what <strong>other</strong> Laws of ours they do not have to obey? Shout that off the rooftops son, knock yourself <strong>OUT</strong> there is <strong>nothing</strong> that <strong>I</strong> could say or do that would have more ifluence on the electorate as this attitude of yours. Not in the way you want though I would wager. Those who cannot be trusted in one thing, may not be trustworthy in others.

I am by most standards pro-immigration. I strongly believe that immigration, on net total, is an overall boom to this country, both economically and culturally. I don’t just mean legal immigrants either, I also believe this is the case with illegal immigrants as well

I do not consider myself anti-immigrant, after all some of my ancestors got here that way, the rest walked over from Siberia on the Berring Landbridge at the end of the Last Ice Age.

BUT I take umbrage to this part of your statement

I don’t just mean legal immigrants either, I also believe this is the case with illegal immigrants as well

If you apporve of millions of Aliens entering this country Illegally and maybe deciding what other Laws of ours they do not have to obey?

Shout that off the rooftops son, knock yourself OUT there is nothing that I could say or do that would have more ifluence on the electorate as this attitude of yours.

Not in the way you want though I would wager.

Those who cannot be trusted in one thing, may not be trustworthy in others.

]]> By: The Glittering Eye » Blog Archive » Immigration, security, legality, assimilation, representative democracy http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-89833 The Glittering Eye » Blog Archive » Immigration, security, legality, assimilation, representative democracy Thu, 04 May 2006 14:12:17 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-89833 [...] Alfonso Trujillo of Hispanic Pundit, generally pro-immigration, provides a guide to the sane arguments against immigration.   He also has a good post on the likelihood of a backlash as a result of the rallies.  The Rasmussen Report overnight tracking poll results do not reflect any change in attitude as a result of the rallies.  Honestly, I think most Americans have already made up their minds on this issue, there’s a consensus, and our elected representatives hate the consensus.  Big problem.  More on that later. [...] […] Alfonso Trujillo of Hispanic Pundit, generally pro-immigration, provides a guide to the sane arguments against immigration.   He also has a good post on the likelihood of a backlash as a result of the rallies.  The Rasmussen Report overnight tracking poll results do not reflect any change in attitude as a result of the rallies.  Honestly, I think most Americans have already made up their minds on this issue, there’s a consensus, and our elected representatives hate the consensus.  Big problem.  More on that later. […]

]]> By: Winds of Change.NET http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-89805 Winds of Change.NET Thu, 04 May 2006 05:34:02 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-89805 <strong>Illegal Immigration & Mexico: The 3 Problems to Solve</strong> Alfonso "Hispanic Pundit" Trujillo is a good blogger and an honest arguer. He recently put up a post about the value of immigrants to America, which few of us would dispute. Here's an excerpt: "They... Illegal Immigration & Mexico: The 3 Problems to Solve

Alfonso “Hispanic Pundit” Trujillo is a good blogger and an honest arguer. He recently put up a post about the value of immigrants to America, which few of us would dispute. Here's an excerpt: “They…

]]> By: serafina lurski http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-89557 serafina lurski Tue, 02 May 2006 00:29:09 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-89557 <em>Illegal immigration is exactly that, illegal entrance to a country.And the person entering a country without the approval of that country is breaking the law. The circumstances that made that person break the law do not protect them from the responsabilities of their action, and the country should not reward them by granting permanent residency. Many of us immigrants have made this country a country of great opportunities, because we came with one idea: to make this country better that it was before. We learned our common language-English- We learned and obey the common laws-We learned our Constitution -that protect us more that any other from our own countries-and we swore allegiance to th flag when we took our naturalization papers. I never forgot who I am , because that is what is so great about my new country, it accepts me with my own religion,my own customs and above all it gave me refuge when no other country wanted me. I as many other immigrants before me did not use this country as a way of making money without assimilating its common language and culture. To all the illegal immigrants and to the legal families of the illegals, stop your whining . If you care so much for your illegal family members, you should have helped them get their documentation in order when they were in their own country, like many other individuals are doing at this time, and waiting their turn. Then, they would have entered this country poor but proud, instead of demanding rights that they never earned, and, what is even sadder, that they never had as legal residents of their native countries.</em> Illegal immigration is exactly that, illegal entrance to a country.And the person entering a country without the approval of that country is breaking the law. The circumstances that made that person break the law do not protect them from the responsabilities of their action, and the country should not reward them by granting permanent residency.
Many of us immigrants have made this country a country of great opportunities, because we came with one idea: to make this country better that it was before. We learned our common language-English- We learned and obey the common laws-We learned our Constitution -that protect us more that any other from our own countries-and we swore allegiance to
th flag when we took our naturalization papers. I never forgot who I am , because that is what is so great about my new country, it accepts me with my own religion,my own customs and above all it gave me refuge when no other country wanted me. I as many other immigrants before me did not use this country as a way of making money without assimilating its common language and culture.
To all the illegal immigrants and to the legal families of the illegals, stop your whining . If you care so much for your illegal family members, you should have helped them get their documentation in order when they were in their own country, like many other individuals are doing at this time, and waiting their turn. Then, they would have entered this country poor but proud, instead of demanding rights that they never earned, and, what is even sadder, that they never had as legal residents of their native countries.

]]> By: DD http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-89403 DD Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:29:41 +0000 http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/21/the-other-side-to-the-immigration-debate/#comment-89403 I strongly believe that immigration, on net total, is an overall boom to this country, both economically and culturally. -- HP <b>I agree with that, HP. See below...... Immigrants are not a drain on government finances. The NAS study found that the typical immigrant and his or her offspring will pay a net $80,000 more in taxes during their lifetimes than they collect in government services. For immigrants with college degrees, the net fiscal return is $198,000. It is true that low-skilled immigrants and refugees tend to use welfare more than the typical "native" household, but the 1996 Welfare Reform Act made it much more difficult for newcomers to collect welfare. As a result, immigrant use of welfare has declined in recent years along with overall welfare rolls. (D. Griswold)</b> I strongly believe that immigration, on net total, is an overall boom to this country, both economically and culturally. — HP

I agree with that, HP.

See below……

Immigrants are not a drain on government finances. The NAS study found that the typical immigrant and his or her offspring will pay a net $80,000 more in taxes during their lifetimes than they collect in government services. For immigrants with college degrees, the net fiscal return is $198,000. It is true that low-skilled immigrants and refugees tend to use welfare more than the typical “native” household, but the 1996 Welfare Reform Act made it much more difficult for newcomers to collect welfare. As a result, immigrant use of welfare has declined in recent years along with overall welfare rolls. (D. Griswold)

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