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	<title>Comments on: Housing Projects And Their Significance To Our Education System</title>
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		<title>By: Burns</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2007/05/25/housing-projects-and-their-significance-to-our-education-system/#comment-170260</link>
		<dc:creator>Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ITS ALL ABOUT THE RG PROJECTS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ITS ALL ABOUT THE RG PROJECTS</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2007/05/25/housing-projects-and-their-significance-to-our-education-system/#comment-153785</link>
		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP - like your argument for school vouchers, I’m also with you on this one. The change in Boyle Heights because of the Alliso Village is pretty significant.

I can understand, however, the criticism of this model, mostly on the grounds of supply &#038; demand. On the micro-level, Alliso Village is a better place - for the poor that live their as well as for the mixed-income residents that now live there. But on the larger level, the number of units available was greatly reduced, and the number of units made for low-income families was even less. In the big picture, how to supply enough affordable housing?

Because the demand for housing in Los Angeles so far outweighs the supply, housing is barely affordable for anyone, let alone the poor. Relying only on the free market to supply housing doesn’t cut it. So what do we do to address that problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP - like your argument for school vouchers, I’m also with you on this one. The change in Boyle Heights because of the Alliso Village is pretty significant.</p>
<p>I can understand, however, the criticism of this model, mostly on the grounds of supply &#038; demand. On the micro-level, Alliso Village is a better place - for the poor that live their as well as for the mixed-income residents that now live there. But on the larger level, the number of units available was greatly reduced, and the number of units made for low-income families was even less. In the big picture, how to supply enough affordable housing?</p>
<p>Because the demand for housing in Los Angeles so far outweighs the supply, housing is barely affordable for anyone, let alone the poor. Relying only on the free market to supply housing doesn’t cut it. So what do we do to address that problem?</p>
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		<title>By: CalCon</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2007/05/25/housing-projects-and-their-significance-to-our-education-system/#comment-149124</link>
		<dc:creator>CalCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the free market do it's work. That is in almost every case the best policy. The free market is a much more efficient way to allocate any type of resource, PERIOD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the free market do it&#8217;s work. That is in almost every case the best policy. The free market is a much more efficient way to allocate any type of resource, PERIOD!</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2007/05/25/housing-projects-and-their-significance-to-our-education-system/#comment-148196</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://hispanicpundit.com/2007/05/25/housing-projects-and-their-significance-to-our-education-system/#comment-148196</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;SG&lt;/strong&gt;,

Affordable housing for the poor is a difficult topic - on the one hand, supply and demand via the price system is the most efficient means of allocating housing, in other words, it will provide the cheapest housing &lt;em&gt;that the market can bare&lt;/em&gt;. But when you have such a large amount of demand, that housing price may still be higher than many people can afford. What to do?

The problem with using the government is that in creating 'affordable housing', it also increases the demand (or limits the supply, or both) thereby increasing even more the bottom prices of homes - making homes even less affordable to those at the bottom. Add in the fact that the government rarely does anything correctly, and you are left with a government program high on expectations and costs, but little on actual benefits and implementation. The best you can do is classify 'affordable housing programs' by the harm they do, and support the ones that do the &lt;em&gt;least&lt;/em&gt; harm.

The ideal scenario though is to deal with the reality of the situation - prices mean something, and when the price of homes go up so much that some can't afford to live in a certain area, that is a sign of the underlying scarcity. The most the government can do is increase supply (reduce, for example, environmental regulations, and other burdensome regulations that limit supply, see &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/01/11/why-homes-are-more-expensive-in-one-area-than-another-environmental-regulations/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). Those at the bottom have to either work more, wait for higher wages, or move out of the area - nothing else addresses the problem.

For example, I want to have a house overlooking the beach, but so do many other people and the only thing that separates them from me is how much I am willing and can afford to pay for such homes. The government cannot change the underlying scarcity, it can only move things around but in doing so, it makes the allocation of beach homes less efficient, not more.

Again, sorry for the deletion. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SG</strong>,</p>
<p>Affordable housing for the poor is a difficult topic - on the one hand, supply and demand via the price system is the most efficient means of allocating housing, in other words, it will provide the cheapest housing <em>that the market can bare</em>. But when you have such a large amount of demand, that housing price may still be higher than many people can afford. What to do?</p>
<p>The problem with using the government is that in creating &#8216;affordable housing&#8217;, it also increases the demand (or limits the supply, or both) thereby increasing even more the bottom prices of homes - making homes even less affordable to those at the bottom. Add in the fact that the government rarely does anything correctly, and you are left with a government program high on expectations and costs, but little on actual benefits and implementation. The best you can do is classify &#8216;affordable housing programs&#8217; by the harm they do, and support the ones that do the <em>least</em> harm.</p>
<p>The ideal scenario though is to deal with the reality of the situation - prices mean something, and when the price of homes go up so much that some can&#8217;t afford to live in a certain area, that is a sign of the underlying scarcity. The most the government can do is increase supply (reduce, for example, environmental regulations, and other burdensome regulations that limit supply, see <a rel="nofollow" href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/01/11/why-homes-are-more-expensive-in-one-area-than-another-environmental-regulations/" rel="nofollow">here</a>). Those at the bottom have to either work more, wait for higher wages, or move out of the area - nothing else addresses the problem.</p>
<p>For example, I want to have a house overlooking the beach, but so do many other people and the only thing that separates them from me is how much I am willing and can afford to pay for such homes. The government cannot change the underlying scarcity, it can only move things around but in doing so, it makes the allocation of beach homes less efficient, not more.</p>
<p>Again, sorry for the deletion. <img src='http://hispanicpundit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2007/05/25/housing-projects-and-their-significance-to-our-education-system/#comment-147586</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 04:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cherrera,

Opposing housing projects does not equate to opposing housing assistance to the poor, it just opposes &lt;em&gt;the means&lt;/em&gt; of providing housing assistance to the poor.

As I said in the post, there are more efficient means of providing housing to the poor - housing vouchers.

Edgar Olson, professor of economics at the University of Virginia, researched this very thing and &lt;a href="http://www.virginia.edu/economics/papers/olsen/htestimony062101.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;found&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;"Five major studies have estimated both the cost per unit and the mean market rent of units provided by housing certificates and vouchers and important production programs, namely Public Housing, Section 236, and Section 8 New Construction.1 These studies are based on data from a wide variety of housing markets and for projects built in many different years. Three were multi-million dollar studies conducted for HUD by respected research firms during the Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan administrations. They are unanimous in finding that housing certificates and vouchers provide equally desirable housing at a much lower total cost than any project-based assistance that has been studied, even though all of these studies are biased in favor of project-based assistance to some extent by the omission of certain indirect costs."&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The full study can be found &lt;a href="http://www.virginia.edu/economics/papers/olsen/htestimony062101.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

It should also be mentioned that even your premise is unsubstantiated, in other words, 'affordable housing' programs by the government do not necessarily translate to overall affordable housing for the poor - in many instances (all?), they translate to more expensive housing, see &lt;a href="http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1416" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cherrera,</p>
<p>Opposing housing projects does not equate to opposing housing assistance to the poor, it just opposes <em>the means</em> of providing housing assistance to the poor.</p>
<p>As I said in the post, there are more efficient means of providing housing to the poor - housing vouchers.</p>
<p>Edgar Olson, professor of economics at the University of Virginia, researched this very thing and <a href="http://www.virginia.edu/economics/papers/olsen/htestimony062101.pdf" rel="nofollow">found</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Five major studies have estimated both the cost per unit and the mean market rent of units provided by housing certificates and vouchers and important production programs, namely Public Housing, Section 236, and Section 8 New Construction.1 These studies are based on data from a wide variety of housing markets and for projects built in many different years. Three were multi-million dollar studies conducted for HUD by respected research firms during the Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan administrations. They are unanimous in finding that housing certificates and vouchers provide equally desirable housing at a much lower total cost than any project-based assistance that has been studied, even though all of these studies are biased in favor of project-based assistance to some extent by the omission of certain indirect costs.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The full study can be found <a href="http://www.virginia.edu/economics/papers/olsen/htestimony062101.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>It should also be mentioned that even your premise is unsubstantiated, in other words, &#8216;affordable housing&#8217; programs by the government do not necessarily translate to overall affordable housing for the poor - in many instances (all?), they translate to more expensive housing, see <a href="http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1416" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: CHerrera</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2007/05/25/housing-projects-and-their-significance-to-our-education-system/#comment-147579</link>
		<dc:creator>CHerrera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 03:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been away from California for some time now and I was not aware that the Housing Authority of Los Angeles had already torn down at least one of its housing projects in Harbor City and erected a "market valued" neighborhood in its place. 
  The article commends the method of tearing down a low-income housing project to make room for "market valued housing units" as a correct approach to eradicating crime. Many who know about the conditions that thrive in L.A.'s housing projects would agree that they have been in dire need of rehabilitative attention for several decades, but I am not so sure tearing down the housing projects is the answer. 
   Low-income families don't just disappear because they can no longer afford housing in a revitalized area. They move on to create another low-income neighborhood just like the one they left behind. In a few decades, when it's time to increase the tax base and make lots of MONEY, the low-income families will be displaced once again. 
   Yes, folks, I am about to go there---The real motivation behind displacing a large group of low-income residents and erecting "market valued housing units" is the almighty dollar. 
   L.A.'s housing projects were built on many acres of cheap land in the 1940s and 1950s. Today, that same land is worth many millions of dollars. And if the city can dispose of the poor folks who can barely make their $50 rent payment and replace them with higher-income residents, the land instantly becomes extremely valuable and the city's tax base increases for that particular area.  
   So what happens to the poor folks that can no longer afford to live in the new neighborhood? As far as the city is concerned: "Who gives a damn? They are out of our hair." 
   Cities across the country have been using the same tactic to regentrify crime ridden urban areas. Decades ago affluent families fled these same urban areas to create the suburbs. In the southern U.S. it was called White Flight. Now that the potential value of our run-down urban neighborhoods has been realized, it only makes sense to take back "The Streets". Or does it? 

CHerrera</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been away from California for some time now and I was not aware that the Housing Authority of Los Angeles had already torn down at least one of its housing projects in Harbor City and erected a &#8220;market valued&#8221; neighborhood in its place.<br />
  The article commends the method of tearing down a low-income housing project to make room for &#8220;market valued housing units&#8221; as a correct approach to eradicating crime. Many who know about the conditions that thrive in L.A.&#8217;s housing projects would agree that they have been in dire need of rehabilitative attention for several decades, but I am not so sure tearing down the housing projects is the answer.<br />
   Low-income families don&#8217;t just disappear because they can no longer afford housing in a revitalized area. They move on to create another low-income neighborhood just like the one they left behind. In a few decades, when it&#8217;s time to increase the tax base and make lots of MONEY, the low-income families will be displaced once again.<br />
   Yes, folks, I am about to go there&#8212;The real motivation behind displacing a large group of low-income residents and erecting &#8220;market valued housing units&#8221; is the almighty dollar.<br />
   L.A.&#8217;s housing projects were built on many acres of cheap land in the 1940s and 1950s. Today, that same land is worth many millions of dollars. And if the city can dispose of the poor folks who can barely make their $50 rent payment and replace them with higher-income residents, the land instantly becomes extremely valuable and the city&#8217;s tax base increases for that particular area.<br />
   So what happens to the poor folks that can no longer afford to live in the new neighborhood? As far as the city is concerned: &#8220;Who gives a damn? They are out of our hair.&#8221;<br />
   Cities across the country have been using the same tactic to regentrify crime ridden urban areas. Decades ago affluent families fled these same urban areas to create the suburbs. In the southern U.S. it was called White Flight. Now that the potential value of our run-down urban neighborhoods has been realized, it only makes sense to take back &#8220;The Streets&#8221;. Or does it? </p>
<p>CHerrera</p>
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