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	<title>Comments on: A Fiscal Spending Spree</title>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/23/a-fiscal-spending-spree/#comment-198389</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more point Gerardo, if you are still reading this. Do me a favor and read &lt;a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/01/christie-romer-is-confirmed.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this post by very liberal Democrat Berkeley economist Brad DeLong&lt;/a&gt;. After reading it, check out &lt;a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/02/white-house-talking-points.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this fact check response by moderately conservative Harvard economist Greg Mankiw&lt;/a&gt;. You tell me: who is intentionally misleading on this issue? You know my answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more point Gerardo, if you are still reading this. Do me a favor and read <a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/01/christie-romer-is-confirmed.html" rel="nofollow">this post by very liberal Democrat Berkeley economist Brad DeLong</a>. After reading it, check out <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/02/white-house-talking-points.html" rel="nofollow">this fact check response by moderately conservative Harvard economist Greg Mankiw</a>. You tell me: who is intentionally misleading on this issue? You know my answer.</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/23/a-fiscal-spending-spree/#comment-198196</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, let me point out that my links above were more experience than theory. In other words, they took past "fiscal stimulus" and past economic  recessions, in the US and around the world, and studied what worked and what didn't. Tax cuts seemed to do better. 

With that said, to answer your question of what went wrong, it's not a simple answer but if you have the time, I suggest you read &lt;a href="http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/how_did_it_all_happen.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;. It gives the best overview I have seen to date. Well worth the read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, let me point out that my links above were more experience than theory. In other words, they took past &#8220;fiscal stimulus&#8221; and past economic  recessions, in the US and around the world, and studied what worked and what didn&#8217;t. Tax cuts seemed to do better. </p>
<p>With that said, to answer your question of what went wrong, it&#8217;s not a simple answer but if you have the time, I suggest you read <a href="http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/how_did_it_all_happen.php" rel="nofollow">this post</a>. It gives the best overview I have seen to date. Well worth the read.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerardo</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/23/a-fiscal-spending-spree/#comment-198164</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now going from theory to practice---Why is ish all f'ed up right now, if according to the theory(ies) you espouse and under so much stimulus over the last 8 years by the unprecedented Tax cuts?

Just a simple question....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now going from theory to practice&#8212;Why is ish all f&#8217;ed up right now, if according to the theory(ies) you espouse and under so much stimulus over the last 8 years by the unprecedented Tax cuts?</p>
<p>Just a simple question&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/23/a-fiscal-spending-spree/#comment-198119</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy. See &lt;a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2008/09/02/quote-of-the-day-558/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/11/21/lowering-capital-gains-taxes-helps-the-poor/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008374" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/06/taxing-the-rich/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/12/15/why-the-tax-cuts-should-be-permanent/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/12/12/the-economics-of-a-lower-income-tax-on-the-rich/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/08/16/three-cheers-for-the-bush-tax-cuts/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Pay special attention to the picture in the WSJ article from the last link (find it &lt;a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB112345310644607010-email.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. I could provide more links but that should be enough.

With regard to the fiscal stimulus, lets look at the evidence of tax cuts vs. spending. Take Obama's Chief economic advisor's word for it. 

Christina Romer, who along with Ben Bernanke, is considered the foremost authority on recessions, &lt;a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/12/spending-and-tax-multipliers.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;argues that&lt;/a&gt;, "A dollar of tax cuts raises GDP by about three dollars." This compared to a multiplier of between 1 and 1.4 for fiscal spending. In other words, tax cuts carry &lt;em&gt;more than double the firepower as spending&lt;/em&gt;.

Then take the recent research of University Of Chicago economist Harald Uhlig who &lt;a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/12/fiscal-policy-puzzles.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;argues that&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial"&gt;Our main results are that&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial"&gt;a surprise deficit-financed tax cut is the best fiscal policy to stimulate the economy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial"&gt;a deficit[-financed government] spending shock weakly stimulates the economy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial"&gt;government spending shocks crowd out both residential and non-residential investment without causing interest rates to rise.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The study can be found &lt;a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/01/mountford-and-uhlig-on-fiscal-policy.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Or take the study by MIT economist and now chief economist at the IMF Olivier Blanchard and Università Bocconi economist Roberto Perotti who &lt;a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/12/fiscal-policy-puzzles.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;find&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial"&gt;we find that both increases in taxes and increases in government spending have a strong negative effect on private investment spending. This effect is consistent with a neoclassical model with distortionary taxes, but more difficult to reconcile with Keynesian theory: while agnostic about the sign, Keynesian theory predicts opposite effects of tax and spending increases on private investment. This does not appear to be the case.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In addition to all of the above, you also have economists Mark Bils of the University of Rochester and Pete Klenow of Stanford, see &lt;a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/12/bils-klenow-stimulus-plan.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. They make the same argument that Harvard University economist Ed Glaesar made &lt;a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/14/a-better-stimulus-plan/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

There is also professor of economics at Stanford University John Taylor, who argues for a permanent tax cut as the best fiscal stimulus, see &lt;a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122757149157954723.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for asking. ;-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy. See <a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2008/09/02/quote-of-the-day-558/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/11/21/lowering-capital-gains-taxes-helps-the-poor/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008374" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2006/04/06/taxing-the-rich/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/12/15/why-the-tax-cuts-should-be-permanent/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/12/12/the-economics-of-a-lower-income-tax-on-the-rich/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2005/08/16/three-cheers-for-the-bush-tax-cuts/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Pay special attention to the picture in the WSJ article from the last link (find it <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB112345310644607010-email.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>). As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. I could provide more links but that should be enough.</p>
<p>With regard to the fiscal stimulus, lets look at the evidence of tax cuts vs. spending. Take Obama&#8217;s Chief economic advisor&#8217;s word for it. </p>
<p>Christina Romer, who along with Ben Bernanke, is considered the foremost authority on recessions, <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/12/spending-and-tax-multipliers.html" rel="nofollow">argues that</a>, &#8220;A dollar of tax cuts raises GDP by about three dollars.&#8221; This compared to a multiplier of between 1 and 1.4 for fiscal spending. In other words, tax cuts carry <em>more than double the firepower as spending</em>.</p>
<p>Then take the recent research of University Of Chicago economist Harald Uhlig who <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/12/fiscal-policy-puzzles.html" rel="nofollow">argues that</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: arial"><span style="font-family: arial"></span></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: arial">Our main results are that</span></p></blockquote>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-family: arial">a surprise deficit-financed tax cut is the best fiscal policy to stimulate the economy</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: arial">a deficit[-financed government] spending shock weakly stimulates the economy.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: arial">government spending shocks crowd out both residential and non-residential investment without causing interest rates to rise.</span></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>The study can be found <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/01/mountford-and-uhlig-on-fiscal-policy.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Or take the study by MIT economist and now chief economist at the IMF Olivier Blanchard and Università Bocconi economist Roberto Perotti who <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/12/fiscal-policy-puzzles.html" rel="nofollow">find</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: arial"><span style="font-family: arial">we find that both increases in taxes and increases in government spending have a strong negative effect on private investment spending. This effect is consistent with a neoclassical model with distortionary taxes, but more difficult to reconcile with Keynesian theory: while agnostic about the sign, Keynesian theory predicts opposite effects of tax and spending increases on private investment. This does not appear to be the case.</span></span></p></blockquote>
<p>In addition to all of the above, you also have economists Mark Bils of the University of Rochester and Pete Klenow of Stanford, see <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/12/bils-klenow-stimulus-plan.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. They make the same argument that Harvard University economist Ed Glaesar made <a href="http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/14/a-better-stimulus-plan/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>There is also professor of economics at Stanford University John Taylor, who argues for a permanent tax cut as the best fiscal stimulus, see <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122757149157954723.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for asking. <img src='http://hispanicpundit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Gerardo</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/23/a-fiscal-spending-spree/#comment-198114</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the evidence for the TAX CUTS under the last 8 years of Bush?  Please show me some solid evidence that tax cuts under the Bush administration stimulated anything?

Cause the rationale was used for everything 
to stimulate, to go to war, to bounce back from 911...etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the evidence for the TAX CUTS under the last 8 years of Bush?  Please show me some solid evidence that tax cuts under the Bush administration stimulated anything?</p>
<p>Cause the rationale was used for everything<br />
to stimulate, to go to war, to bounce back from 911&#8230;etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: EYES OF TEXAS</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/23/a-fiscal-spending-spree/#comment-198087</link>
		<dc:creator>EYES OF TEXAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, history shows:

    Abe Lincoln (R) Civil War
    Woodrow Wilson (D) WWI
    Franklin Roosevelt (D) WWII
    Lyndon Johnson (D) Vietnam
    Harry Truman (D)&#38; Dwight Eisenhower (R) Korean War
    (NOTE: Truman started it, Eisenhower inherited it)
    George Bush (R) Middle East (Not wars, but occupations)

Looks like four for the (D) and one for (R), since Korea was started under Truman and the Middle East is an occupation, not a war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, history shows:</p>
<p>    Abe Lincoln (R) Civil War<br />
    Woodrow Wilson (D) WWI<br />
    Franklin Roosevelt (D) WWII<br />
    Lyndon Johnson (D) Vietnam<br />
    Harry Truman (D)&amp; Dwight Eisenhower (R) Korean War<br />
    (NOTE: Truman started it, Eisenhower inherited it)<br />
    George Bush (R) Middle East (Not wars, but occupations)</p>
<p>Looks like four for the (D) and one for (R), since Korea was started under Truman and the Middle East is an occupation, not a war.</p>
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		<title>By: LaurenceB</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/23/a-fiscal-spending-spree/#comment-198083</link>
		<dc:creator>LaurenceB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I see now what you were referring to.

I think it would be much more accurate to call that "Maliki's plan" than "Bush's plan".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see now what you were referring to.</p>
<p>I think it would be much more accurate to call that &#8220;Maliki&#8217;s plan&#8221; than &#8220;Bush&#8217;s plan&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/23/a-fiscal-spending-spree/#comment-198038</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaurenceB,

Regarding your first point, I agree: tax cuts without a reduction in spending is the same as spending. However, from a "fiscal stimulus" point of view, tax cuts are superior because they can be implemented immediately. On the other hand, spending, especially spending done right, can take years to go into affect. For example, the current spending part of the fiscal stimulus has about 8% of it going into affect in 2009, see &lt;a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/01/cbo-on-fiscal-policy-lags.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. 

Second, if were going to be "spending" tax payers money, I consider it much more efficient to do so by letting them spend it how they want - instead of washington. So in this sense also tax cuts are different than spending. 

Regarding the Iraq troop withdraw, see &lt;a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94449431" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,566841,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/12/20081214-2.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. I think a year and a half is about the same time, within months, that Bush would have started significantly reducing troops as well, especially after the success of the surge. Either way, so far with Obama regarding Guantanamo and Iraq, its all talk. He promises to do XYZ within a year+...but we all know how valuable politician promises are, dont we? Wait and see is what I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaurenceB,</p>
<p>Regarding your first point, I agree: tax cuts without a reduction in spending is the same as spending. However, from a &#8220;fiscal stimulus&#8221; point of view, tax cuts are superior because they can be implemented immediately. On the other hand, spending, especially spending done right, can take years to go into affect. For example, the current spending part of the fiscal stimulus has about 8% of it going into affect in 2009, see <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/01/cbo-on-fiscal-policy-lags.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>
<p>Second, if were going to be &#8220;spending&#8221; tax payers money, I consider it much more efficient to do so by letting them spend it how they want - instead of washington. So in this sense also tax cuts are different than spending. </p>
<p>Regarding the Iraq troop withdraw, see <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94449431" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,566841,00.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/12/20081214-2.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I think a year and a half is about the same time, within months, that Bush would have started significantly reducing troops as well, especially after the success of the surge. Either way, so far with Obama regarding Guantanamo and Iraq, its all talk. He promises to do XYZ within a year+&#8230;but we all know how valuable politician promises are, dont we? Wait and see is what I say.</p>
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		<title>By: LaurenceB</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/23/a-fiscal-spending-spree/#comment-198037</link>
		<dc:creator>LaurenceB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush had a plan for withdrawing troops?  And his date was just a few months beyond Obama's?  Can you point me to it?  What was his date?  

Because I could have sworn that he (and all the Republican candidates) were dead set against setting time lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush had a plan for withdrawing troops?  And his date was just a few months beyond Obama&#8217;s?  Can you point me to it?  What was his date?  </p>
<p>Because I could have sworn that he (and all the Republican candidates) were dead set against setting time lines.</p>
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		<title>By: LaurenceB</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2009/01/23/a-fiscal-spending-spree/#comment-198036</link>
		<dc:creator>LaurenceB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tax cuts in this stimulus bill will be paid for by borrowed money that will eventually need to be repaid with interest.  From a fiscal perspective, that is no different than the spending in the bill.

Someday, this knee-jerk enthusiasm the Republicans have for tax cuts has got to come to terms with that reality.  Tax cuts without spending cuts (such as the ones in the stimulus bill), are equivalent to increasing government spending.  From the taxpayer point of view, there is no difference.

Now, you claim that tax cuts will stimulate the economy better than creating jobs through government spending.  That may be true - its a complicated question, and I don't claim to know.  But if it is true, then it follows logically that the eventual cost of the tax cuts (which will someday have to re-paid plus interest &lt;b&gt;with tax money&lt;/b&gt; from Americans), will be a drag on the economy.  Because taxes are bad.  Indeed, if we accept your premise (taxes bad for economy, tax cuts good), then the eventual damage to the economy of these tax cuts will be greater than the good they do now - since they will need to be re-paid with interest by taxes.

This is a very long way of making my point.  Which is: Tax cuts are not free money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tax cuts in this stimulus bill will be paid for by borrowed money that will eventually need to be repaid with interest.  From a fiscal perspective, that is no different than the spending in the bill.</p>
<p>Someday, this knee-jerk enthusiasm the Republicans have for tax cuts has got to come to terms with that reality.  Tax cuts without spending cuts (such as the ones in the stimulus bill), are equivalent to increasing government spending.  From the taxpayer point of view, there is no difference.</p>
<p>Now, you claim that tax cuts will stimulate the economy better than creating jobs through government spending.  That may be true - its a complicated question, and I don&#8217;t claim to know.  But if it is true, then it follows logically that the eventual cost of the tax cuts (which will someday have to re-paid plus interest <b>with tax money</b> from Americans), will be a drag on the economy.  Because taxes are bad.  Indeed, if we accept your premise (taxes bad for economy, tax cuts good), then the eventual damage to the economy of these tax cuts will be greater than the good they do now - since they will need to be re-paid with interest by taxes.</p>
<p>This is a very long way of making my point.  Which is: Tax cuts are not free money.</p>
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