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		<title>By: Darf Ferrara</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2012/04/10/free-trade-and-nafta/#comment-314374</link>
		<dc:creator>Darf Ferrara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To claim that record growth from one year to another doesn&#039;t mean a lot is to impute more meaning into the data than is justified, I think. I&#039;m not claiming that you&#039;re wrong, but I want to make clear that it&#039;s an assertion that isn&#039;t self evident.

I would say that avoiding the use of GDP as a metric is a good thing. I don&#039;t feel that it measures much that is worthwhile, especially year over year. 

On a related note there is a recent book (The Roaring Thirties, reviewed &lt;a&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; ) that claims that the 1930&#039;s were the decade that made future growth possible. The data that supports this aren&#039;t going to be contained in simple numbers like the GDP growth year over year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To claim that record growth from one year to another doesn&#8217;t mean a lot is to impute more meaning into the data than is justified, I think. I&#8217;m not claiming that you&#8217;re wrong, but I want to make clear that it&#8217;s an assertion that isn&#8217;t self evident.</p>
<p>I would say that avoiding the use of GDP as a metric is a good thing. I don&#8217;t feel that it measures much that is worthwhile, especially year over year. </p>
<p>On a related note there is a recent book (The Roaring Thirties, reviewed <a>here</a> ) that claims that the 1930&#8242;s were the decade that made future growth possible. The data that supports this aren&#8217;t going to be contained in simple numbers like the GDP growth year over year.</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2012/04/10/free-trade-and-nafta/#comment-314358</link>
		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon,

Just having you agree with the conclusions from the poll is progress enough. One step at a time...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Just having you agree with the conclusions from the poll is progress enough. One step at a time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2012/04/10/free-trade-and-nafta/#comment-314340</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of additional thoughts.  Short term growth often doesn&#039;t mean a lot.  There&#039;s a discussion of Chile&#039;s economic performance at this link:

http://www.rrojasdatabank.info/econom~1.htm

Kangas distinguishes between growth that is a result of re-use of idle capacity and growth that actually causes things like additional capital expenditures.  Take a look at economic growth in 1935 and 1936 in the US in one of the tables at the link.  This was record growth.  But it didn&#039;t mean a lot because this is just making up for the prior downturn.  In the immediate wake of NAFTA the peso collapsed and caused a crisis and downturn.

One other point.  Every single economist in the poll is working at an American University.  What do foreign economists think?  I suppose this different perspective could produce different opinions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of additional thoughts.  Short term growth often doesn&#8217;t mean a lot.  There&#8217;s a discussion of Chile&#8217;s economic performance at this link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rrojasdatabank.info/econom~1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rrojasdatabank.info/econom~1.htm</a></p>
<p>Kangas distinguishes between growth that is a result of re-use of idle capacity and growth that actually causes things like additional capital expenditures.  Take a look at economic growth in 1935 and 1936 in the US in one of the tables at the link.  This was record growth.  But it didn&#8217;t mean a lot because this is just making up for the prior downturn.  In the immediate wake of NAFTA the peso collapsed and caused a crisis and downturn.</p>
<p>One other point.  Every single economist in the poll is working at an American University.  What do foreign economists think?  I suppose this different perspective could produce different opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Darf Ferrara</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2012/04/10/free-trade-and-nafta/#comment-314327</link>
		<dc:creator>Darf Ferrara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I liked Bob Murphy&#039;s response &lt;a href=&quot;http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2012/04/everyone-on-the-internet-thinks-im-hilarious.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s controversial that free trade improves overall welfare, but NAFTA was definitely more than just a free trade agreement. That said, it appears that Mexico has been doing better economically recently, despite many of the problems caused by the drug laws in the US. 

But the unanimity here seems to be partly a function of selection bias.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked Bob Murphy&#8217;s response <a href="http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2012/04/everyone-on-the-internet-thinks-im-hilarious.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s controversial that free trade improves overall welfare, but NAFTA was definitely more than just a free trade agreement. That said, it appears that Mexico has been doing better economically recently, despite many of the problems caused by the drug laws in the US. </p>
<p>But the unanimity here seems to be partly a function of selection bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://hispanicpundit.com/2012/04/10/free-trade-and-nafta/#comment-314264</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think a key distinction needs to be kept in mind.  What is a gain?

If GDP goes up 10%, profits for large companies go up 20%, and you see the poverty rate go from 20% to 40%, is that a gain?

Because people called Chile a gain, which it was in a sense.  Profits went up.  Wealthy sectors became much more wealthy.  But average caloric consumption went down and of course consumption amongst the poor went down dramatically.  Unemployment soared from under 4% under Allende to around 30% under Chicago School direction.  Is that a gain?  It can be if your goal is profits for the wealthiest investors.  Your link doesn&#039;t define gain.  So I suppose I&#039;d think they are right if they define the words the way they are often defined amongst elites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a key distinction needs to be kept in mind.  What is a gain?</p>
<p>If GDP goes up 10%, profits for large companies go up 20%, and you see the poverty rate go from 20% to 40%, is that a gain?</p>
<p>Because people called Chile a gain, which it was in a sense.  Profits went up.  Wealthy sectors became much more wealthy.  But average caloric consumption went down and of course consumption amongst the poor went down dramatically.  Unemployment soared from under 4% under Allende to around 30% under Chicago School direction.  Is that a gain?  It can be if your goal is profits for the wealthiest investors.  Your link doesn&#8217;t define gain.  So I suppose I&#8217;d think they are right if they define the words the way they are often defined amongst elites.</p>
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